Vampire Savior -- DCC News

Darkstalkers Combination Cup 1 Playback

You can download some sample movies from DCC1 here. Click the green buttons. What's neat here is that they solicited comments about the matches from the players themselves.
Vol. 4: VS - Kaji vs. Nasu
Vol. 3: VH - Kashiwagi vs. Haramori
Vol. 2: VS - Dara vs. T2ya
Vol. 1: VH - Donboru vs. Himii

Here are some highlights (very rough tl/paraphrase) from the Savior players' comments. Also I reposted the videos on YouTube in case you want to watch them right away.

Video: Dara vs. T2ya

Dara (Demitri)
Wanted to go against Sakai (also Zabel) and have Oboro (Victor) deal with T2ya but got unlucky.

Match is maybe 7-3 Zabel's favor but Demitri is hard to pin down with numbers so it's more like 6-4. In theory if Zabel were played perfectly Demitri could never win but since nobody can tap into 100% of his potential you can focus on human imperfections in the Zabel game.

Even though it was a long match my impatience to turn things around cost me. After the opening okiseme miss I needed to switch to drawn out battle mode but instead I recklessly tried to push the initial attack. Knowing that Sakai was on deck was probably a big factor.

T2ya (Zabel)
I've known these guys since before SBO. Running Zabel x2 against a Demitri-Victor team there's a lot of pressure not to lose.

Zabel continues to have the advantage vs. Demitri. I don't know how the Demitri game might evolve, but as it stands as long as you react perfectly and don't mess up Zabel won't lose. Also this match is one of my fortes -- Savior's a game that rewards rushdown so it's fun.

As with any fighting game it's important in Savior to have a good read on your opponent as the match starts. I figured there would be Demon Cradles coming so I kept the limbs in check. Scoring the guard cancel vs. okiseme was a key point. After that it felt like things were looking good.

Once I had the health lead I felt like I just needed to avoid his Midnight Pleasure so I jumped away a lot. Failing to tag the ES Demon Cradle whiff was embarrassing.

Video: Kaji vs. Nasu

Nasu (Sasquatch)
I thought that Kaji (Lilith), Kosho (Bulleta) and Sakai (Zabel) would be dangerous for our team. There are a lot of people that are tough for me, but CAA had my back. I can't believe we drew Kaji's team in the first round...

This match is approximately Sasquatch:7 Lilith:3. Score one Big Brunch (command grab) and you've won. For my personal diagram, however, it's Nasu:9 Kaji:1! I'm that strong! Give it up everybody! Actually if I fight him 10 times I'll lose 7. (laughs)

If I had punished the whiffed Shining Blades and converted on the Big Brunch combo Lilith would have been KO'ed, right? I'm sorry, CAA. No excuses...

When you run a strong team like that [Sasquath Zabel = top tier] nobody cheers for you! (laughs) I wish I had nerves of steel.

Kaji (Lilith)
There was a good vibe at this event plus the crowd was on my side so I was in blitz mode. Hitting a team like that first round was fine by me so I fought him with a smile.

I don't think I have all the details sorted out so I couldn't say who has the advantage. Lilith can really duke it out against Sasquatch; a race to butcher your opponent like that is really fun.

Both sides missed a lot of things. I'd like to step it up so that I can bring my A game to big events like the DCC.

Darkstalkers Combination Cup 3 Update

There's a poster on the official site -- click 'regulations' and then '大会ポスター' (green button.)

Amongst the tentative entrants is ARK, a very devoted Morrigan fan artist.

The preliminary contests for the Vampire Savior tourney at DCC3 are 2on2 but the winners play each other and only one person gets the seed. Here's the full list:

5/18 Chubu: Space Shuttle Shiogama

19 teams
1st: Kosho (Bulleta) & Nasu (Sasquatch)
2nd: DD (Sasquatch) & Nakanishi (Bishamon)

DCC Seed Winner: Kosho (Bulleta)
Teammate: Nasu (Sasquatch)

Info on videos here. (I guess I got the date wrong.)

Additional videos from this event here.

7/20 Kansai: A-cho

16 teams
1st: Kaji (Lilith) & sako (Bulleta)
2nd: DD (Sasquatch) & Nakanishi (Bishamon)

DCC Seed Winner: Kaji (Lilith)
Teammate: Shimatsuya (Jedah)

8/17 Kanto: Mikado

8/23 Kyushu: Monkey House

ST Trickery: Honda's Auto Mix-up

A while ago, I posted about a special input that will let you throw your opponent if they're idle and DP them if they try a special move. When using E.Honda you can take advantage of his stored command throw glitch to do a special Sumo Auto Mix-up that can defeat some tick escape attempts.

Here is the command for this trick:

→↘↓↙ charge ↖ + P + K

In plain english we've got:
half circle back stopping at down-back to store the Oicho command throw
continue to hold down-back for a couple seconds to charge a butt slam
up-back plus punch plus kick to complete the auto mix-up

You'll want to use this as part of a tick. After you knock your opponent down, make them block a crouching jab as they stand up then finish the above command. If they do nothing you'll snatch them with a command throw. If they try to escape the tick with a special move you'll pass right through it with a butt slam attack. At least, you'll start to go through it -- this trick won't work against all reversal attacks.

Note that in order to have the butt slam charged in time you'll need to do the first part of the command well before you try to tick.

Hat tip: Iroiro Tsuaku Hito and other folks at the T.Akiba bbs.

Gamer's Vision Random 2on Video 071008

http://gvision.exblog.jp/9110843/

There's a Bittorrent file and some YouTube links.
Player names are in english. Jai Dhal is definitely Gian. Aka Bla is probably Akashachi.

EDIT: Updated SBO Q list, by the way.

EDIT2: Some miscellaneous ST news...

Here's the bracket for the final eight teams at a 2on2 event at a-cho this week.


There were 20 teams total. Aniken-Suzuyan and Gunze-Macky7 didn't make it out of their blocks. Gian and Futachan won the 3rd place match.

Elsewhere...

There's going to be a 3on3 tournament at Mikado on August 2nd.

I think there's another 3on3 scheduled at Shinjuku Vegas right before SBO, but I can't find the announcement right now.

Mikado Random 2on2 VS Vids 062808

http://blog.mi-ka-do.net/?eid=741448

080628_01.zip - Ego (Lei2) & Sakamoto (QB) vs. Hai-iro (Aulbath) & Megane (Demitri)
080628_02.zip - Kiwami (Aulbath) & Buzz (Gallon) vs. Oraora (QB) & DD (Sasquatch)
080628_03.zip - Sasunii & Shu (Bishamon) vs. T2ya (Zabel) & Kaji (Lilith)
080628_04.zip - Shiokoshotan* (Morrigan) & Nasu (Sasquatch) vs. KEN (Gallon) & Sasazuka (Lei2)
080628_05.zip - Oraora (QB) & DD (Sasquatch) vs. Hai-iro (Aulbath) & Megane (Demitri)
080628_06.zip - Shiokoshotan (Morrigan) & Nasu (Sasquatch) vs. T2ya (Zabel) & Kaji (Lilith)
080628_07.zip - Shiokoshotan (Morrigan) & Nasu (Sasquatch) vs. Oraora (QB) & DD (Sasquatch)

080628_08.zip - 10 game mirror match between
080628_09.zip - Buzz and KEN

* Kosho

Super Diagram Turbo - Version 1

For the chart below I contacted SSF2T players from all over the US and asked them for their take on their favorite characters' match-ups. A '1' means their character has a big disadvantage. A '9' means they've got a big advantage. '5' means even.

The values in the +/- column indicate the difference between the sum of all the numbers in the row and the baseline value of 80.

There are some notes that players sent me and additional discussion in the post below this.

Thank you very much to everyone who helped out with this project! I think people will find it really interesting.

Char.	RY	KE	OK	EH	CH	BL	ZA	GU	DH	TH	CA	FE	DJ	BX	CL	OS	DI	+/-	Player
Ryu	-	6	7	7	6	7	5	6	3	6	7	6	6	4	4	3	6	+9	John Choi
	-	6	5	7	4	5	4	4	3	5	6	4	5	3	3	3	6	-7	David Doyle
	-	8	6	9	7	7	5	7	3	9	7	6	7	3	4	4	7	+19	FlashG
	-	5	5	8	6	6	6	3	3	7	7	7	7	6	4	3	7	+10	Jesse Howard
Ken	4.5	-	5.5	6	4.5	6	6	4	3	6	5.5	6	5	5	5.5	4	6	+2.5	Wes Truelson
O.Ken	5	5	-	8	7	7	7	2	2	8	8	8	7	4	6	2	7	+13	Jesse Howard
	4	8	-	9	6	7	4	7	3	9	6	5	1	7	7	1	9	+13	Justin Wong
E.Honda	3	3	2	-	4	6	7	4	6	7	7	7	2	5	5	4	6	-2	Bill Gould
	3	3	2	-	4	5	7	2	5	8	8	8	3	5	5	3	8	-1	Sirlin
	2	3	2	-	4	6	9	3	5	7	8	8	2	5	5	4	7	0	UltraDavid
Chun-Li	4	6	7	7	-	8	2	4	5	2	3	6	8	5	5	4	4	0	Chris Doyle
	4	5	4	6	-	6	7	5	6	6	6	6	5	6	5	4	6	+7	NKI
Blanka	3	3	3	4	2	-	5	3	3	5	5	5.5	1	2	1	1	4.5	-29	Fatboy
	3	5	3	3	4	-	7	6	4	8	4	4	3	2	3	2	5	-14	Nohoho
Zangief	6	4	2	3	6	2	-	3	7	7	4	6	6	7	2	3	4	-8	Damdai
	5	6	5	1	3	2	-	2	2	6	2	3	3	5	2	2	6	-25	UltraDavid
Guile	5	6	-	6.5	4.5	4	7	-	3.5	6	7	7	6	4.5	3.5	3.5	6	+5	Brian
	5	6	5	8	4	4	9	-	2	7	7	7	6	5	2	4	5	+6	Axel Kelly
Dhalsim	6	6.5	8	5	6	4.5	8	7	-	8	6	7	7	5	6	7	6	+23	Jason Cole
	6.5	6	7	5	5	4.5	7	7	-	7	5.5	7	6	4.5	5	7	6	+16	Arturo Sanchez
Char.	RY	KE	OK	EH	CH	BL	ZA	GU	DH	TH	CA	FE	DJ	BX	CL	OS	DI	+/-	Player
T.Hawk	5	5	3	4	3	3.5	5	7	4	-	5	5	6	1.5	4	4	4	-11	Henry Cen
	5.5	5	-	4	5.5	5	4.5	4	3.5	-	3.5	4.5	4	4	5.5	3	5.5	-8	Jason Wilson
Cammy	3	5	5	0	4	4	7	2	7	9	-	5	2	3	6	2	4	-12	James Chen
Fei-Long	4	4.5	-	3.5	4.5	4	6	4	4	6	5.5	-	4	4	4	4	4	-9	Jason Wilson
	5	6	5	1	6	7	8	2	1	7	7	-	3	1	2	1	4	-14	Jumpsuit
DeeJay	4.5	5.5	6	8	5	7.5	7	5.5	4	7	7.5	6	-	5	6	4.5	6	+15	Afro Legends
Boxer	6	6.5	7	5	5	6	4.5	6	5	6.5	7	6	5	-	5	5.5	5.5	+11.5	Afro Legends
	5	4	4	7	5	7	8	4	4	6	9	9	4	-	6	2	7	+11	Julien Beasley
	6	6	5	7	6	7	5	8	6	8.5	7	7	6	-	5	6	6	+21.5	Henry Cen
Claw	6	6	6	3	6	8	9	7	5	7	9	9	6	4	-	4	3	+18	Julien Beasley
	6	7	5	3	5	4	8	7	8	7	4	6	4	3	-	5	5	+7	FlashG
	5	4	5	7	5	6	7	6	5	8	7	7	6	6	-	6	6	+16	Julian Robinson
	6.5	6.5	6.5	5	5	3	8	8	6	7	7	7	5	5	-	5	3	+13.5	Sirlin
O.Sagat	7	7	7	4	7	4	6	6	3	6	7	7	6	5	4	-	4	+10	John Choi
	6	8	8	7	8	8	8	8	3	8	8	7	8	5	2	-	5	+27	Jason Nelson
	9	9	9	7	5	7	7	9	1	9	9	5	7	4	2	-	7	+26	Justin Wong
Dictator	5	4	4	3	5	6	6	5	4	6	7	7	4	3	7	1	-	-3	Julien Beasley
	4	5	6	2	4	5	6	5	5	8	7	7	5	4.5	7	4	-	+4.5	Sirlin
	5	5	-	4	4	4	5.5	6	5	4	5.5	6	5	4	4.5	4.5	-	-3	Jason Wilson
Char.	RY	KE	OK	EH	CH	BL	ZA	GU	DH	TH	CA	FE	DJ	BX	CL	OS	DI	+/-	Player

EDIT
UltraDavid posted this in the comments below:
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Here's some analysis of this data: [click for full size]


It's a set of tier rankings, each compiled in a different way and split into 4 tiers as reasonably as possible. The results are also compared to a couple of Japanese tier lists (and the reason I picked 4 tiers was just because the Tougeki one came separated into 4 already). It's interesting to see how the lists are mostly the same but how a couple of characters are valued pretty differently by our respective scenes.

SDT Notes

Here are some comments that players sent me along with the numbers. At the bottom of this post I'll explain the concept a little bit more.

Player Comments

CigarBoB @ Ken

As you know N.Ken is at a disadvantage for most matches vs top tier. To win you must play very solid and then be able to mix in your tricks and throws with out fear.

I think this list is fairly accurate but I dont feel that Ken as a large advantage in any one match. Even vs Honda and Fei (who die to FB's easy) Ken's FB is much easier to get around so it can't be depended on as much as o.ken or Ryu's.

Wes @ Ken

Ryu: 4.5
Ryu does most things that Ken can do, except better (namely fb trap).

Ken: 5

O.Ken: 5.5
O. Ken is easier to control and has the invincible dp but new Ken has the super, knee bash, overhead, and standing roundhouse that can all help him in different situations to push him over the top.

Honda: 6
Maybe I haven't played the best Honda's, but this fool still dies horribly to fb traps and gets swept everytime he jumps over a fb (from most distances).

Chun: 4.5
70% super, a move that you can't wake up against (d/f+rh), and she has great tools to play footsie and counter Ken's air and cross up game.

Blanka: 6
It seems like they buffed Blanka's jump moves so he can't be swept after jumping over a fb (I could be wrong on this but at least it is way more difficult). If Ken can keep Blanka at bay and control space with fbs and jump kicks, we can win this match as long as I'm not the one playing Ken.

Zangief: 6
Punchxxair hk, sweep 3-hit really forces Gief be careful when he can lariat. I realize Gief can low fierce Ken's punch but Ken can jump kick it instead if he expects it. Ken's slower fb can help him to control space and the standing rh kick can help in footsie games.

Guile: 4
Guile has an answer for all of Ken's moves and Ken is often forced to jump to mount an offense (which gets him hit more). The faster speed has made this match more difficult for Guile but Ken's slower fb hurts him in this match I think.

Dhalsim: 3
Ken can wreck Sim if he gets in, but that's the problem, he can't. A lucky dp, hurricane or sweep can sometimes get him in but overall, Ken has a tough time. Again, the slow fb hurts him in this match and Sim has perfect anti-air with his slides.

Hawk: 6
If Hawk can get a safe jump trap going, its all over. That's the case against all characters though, right? I think Ken controls space nicely in this match. His jump kick hits Hawk's jumping moves from most distances and standing jab beats the dive (if you don't simply dp).

Cammy: 5.5
I don't really have any great insight into this one. Cammy can give Ken trouble with poking low forwards and cannon drills but Ken can still battle her poke for poke with standing rh, low forward and low rh cancelled into fb for space control. If Ken knowcks her down, his cross up is tough for her to block and never misses. If is connects, he can dizzy her most the time with: cross up, low strongxxhurricane = game over.

Fei: 6
Most of Kens tools nullify Fei's. He can sweep all of his jump in moves, the chicken wing can be dp'd (if you're not asleep), jump back jump kick stops his rekkas cold AND Fei has a really hard time blocking cross ups. In fact, Fei is the fattest character in the game (its the Hammer pants) and Ken is obviously cap'n combo. Game over with one wrong guess.

DJ: 5
Ken can control space but DJ has fairly consistent answers to Ken's jumpng moves. Ken can't cross him up but can safe jump on him all day setting up his mix up game.

Balrog: 5
Ken can't cross him up but can safe jump on him all day setting up his mix up game. If Rog isn't cafeful his can be fb trapped and tagged out of his headbutts with standing rh. Once Rog has the super, he gives Ken trouble but he's always in danger of Ken's buff mix up game.

Vega: 5.5
Air hurricane does wonders to cross him up and pin him to the ground and also sets up his mix up game. The fierce dp takes him out of his wall dive from almost anywhere on reaction. Ken can also safe jump on this fool all day and Vega takes hella damage.

O.Sagat: 4
Ken's short hurricane doesn't recover fast enough to be of much use here. If Ken can knock Sagat down, fireball to back of the head as gets up sets up a really nice guessing game, but that's about all Ken has here.

Bison: 6
Ken's throw/dp/sweep mix up game can give Bison a lot of trouble. Bison also has to be careful when he's up in the air because Ken can scrape him with a fierce dp from verry far away which sets up his neck kick. Bison is one of the easiest characters to cross up and has a hard time blocking which often = game over for him after one knock down.

Fatboy @ Blanka

Sadly, I have to say that he is only on par with the other lower tiers in the game. However, the tiers are tight in ST, and any character can beat any character! (That is why we love it!)
[...]
1’s

Basically mean the opponent can go on easy auto pilot with a simple zone and Blanka has to work REALLY hard to get around it or wait for the opponent to make a stupid error.

DJ:
Simply put it is a bitch to get around the cr. strong /air slash/ up-kick zone. Somewhere, Blanka has to get a lucky guess around the air slash for a combo or knock down.

O.Sagat:
The Fireball /standing fierce /TU zone is very strong. Everything trades in Sagats favor. Your only hope is that some where Sagat jumps in or TNs any you can DF + fierce for a knock down. –Or- Jump in from a distance and stick out jumping jab and look to beat his standing fierce. Either way Blanka has to let Sagat make a mistake to get in.

Vega:

Very similar to DJ: Blanks has to get around the Crouching strong/flip kick game. Somewhere in there he has to do a far jumping fierce to bait and beat the flip kick to earn some damage/ knock down, then close the distance to start playing his game.

2’s

These are just about as hard as the 1’s. But there is a slightly less “auto-pilot factor’ for the opponent they have to least mix there game a little bit.

Chun: 2

[hey now]

Balrog (Boxer):2

This isn’t even funny. See SRK post.

3’s

These guys have the advantage, but once Blanka can break there zone he has a strong shot to much take the match. (Provided he doesn’t do something too stupid).

Ryu: Ken: O.Ken:

Shotos are pretty standard. If you can get around the FB/upper cut/ crouching strong game and score a knock down, you can start your ground game. Then you have a soild chance. Versus a strong shoto this is much easier said then done but easier then the 1s & 2s.

There are slight nuances with each different shoto to keep in mind; however, blanka's approach to the match is built around getting around the zone and scoring a knock down.

Dhalsim:

Many think this match lends itself to Blanka. However, unless Blanka gets in hard and fast there is little he can do. As with the shoto match up he needs to score a knock down some where and start his game. Against a good Sim who plays really safe, this is going to be really hard to do.

Guile:[moved]

In stead of looking at a lead in life here, who ever scores the first knock down has a strong chance to win. If Blanka get on top of guile it is GGPO unless he busts out a random FK somewhere. Conversely, if guile gets the first knock down, Blanka is going to eat lots of sonic booms to try and close the distance.

4’s

These guys have a very slight one up on the match. It basically comes down to who can get the first hit. Then the match becomes a chase down for the losing opponent which only leads to more opportunities to build the lead for the leading opponent.

Honda:

I think this match is much closer than many think. It really depends on who gets the first hit. Then it becomes a game of catch up. If Honda gets the lead Blanka is not getting through his defense. If Blanka gets the lead, Honda is going to have to find a way to catch the little fucker and THEN deal with and find a way around that jumping Lk of blanka's.

Bison:

Fair match if Blanka scores a knock down. It will a free throw on a get up cross >mp> bite. But, if Blanka make one mistake in his defense it is a fast a painful loss.

5’s and lower

Split even. These are some of more fun match ups in ST. Everybody has to earn each hit in each match up.

Zangief:

One of the more fun match ups to play in ST. I think it is split down the middle. This is really a great game of footsies. At fist glance many say Blanka wins for free with his standing strong. However, a clever & patient Zangief will have many ways around it. I.e. Jumping early rh> spinner works extremely well. You see Zangief jump, you think “Ha! I got him! Free standing strong!" Then just as you perfectly placed strong extends, geifs legs pull back, Blanka whiffs and Gief lands right in front of you for a well earned grab.

I could go on for hours about the match and it 'ro-sham-bo' game play.

Hawk: 5

This match falls into the Zangief category. Again, if Hawk constantly throws himself at Blanka wins for free. However, a real Hawk pro is one of the most patient F*ckers on the planet. More often then not they have more patience than a fucking Nun.

The do one of to things:

1) Let you throw your body at them, then use appropriate counter.

2) Bore you to tears, lull you into a sense of security, and then catch you right as you falling asleep the smash your face right into the ground.

Cammy: 5

Watch for jumping mp. Look for trip guard/landing frames use hop back > cr. RH to score knock down against the jumping MP. If you get caught in the corner and she is right on top of you with the jumping mp use crouching strong (Blanka takes a big step forward and create space behind him) to get her to whiff and land behind you to earn a throw. (Tight timing)

Fei: (5 or 6)

The one match where I think Blanka has a (very) small advantage. DF+ fierce beats 95% of Fei's air game. You have to worry about jumping Mk. However, if your opponent is wise and jumps in using that standing mp beats is clean. You can slide against chicken wing on sight.

Rekkas can be a pain, but control the ground with standing Lk, and crouching Lk, and quick Blanka balls to punish.

Your humble blog editor @ Blanka

I haven't fought much against T.Hawk. That match is probably closer than what I've got down.

With DeeJay, it's difficult to separate psychological wounds from actual in-game damage. Sometimes I'll win the match but I'm still feeling frustrated at how many crouching strongs (jabs, medium kicks, fierces, etc.) I ate along the way. Perhaps the match is closer than 3-7.

Axel @ Guile

*I'm really not sure at all about this one [Cammy], I've never faced a competent Cammy player. I based my rank purely on what I think would happen, not actual experience.

Cole @ Dhalsim

Blanka - To me this fight is all determined by distance. If blanka is successful in getting close he has advantage. If sim has blanka across the screen its all sim advantage. Iv played komoda blanka SOOOO MUCH. It might take him the entire match just to get in, but once he is in..its hard for sim to get out. His only option is to trade or teleport. Another perfectionist match up for sim...one mistake could cost him the game.

Ryu/ken: this one is difficult to me, cause with ryu its determined on how patient the ryu is and his ability to build super fast to slow sim down. With new ken, its all about tick throws. I think ryu actually has an easier time and has more knockdown opportunities...so his rating is better then kens. Im sure japan players prob feel different.

Honda: prob a shocker lol...i say this because both chars have a corner trap on each other. The match can go either way. Top dhalsims can keep honda out all day. But one tick throw and its over for sim. Just like one corner trap and its over for honda. So I used to think sim had disadvantage but after playing some really high lv hondas and going back and fourth, i believe its Even.

Spence @ Dhalsim

i agree with the the ranking chart for st here:

http://super-turbo.net/sbc/data/diagrama/diagrama.html

its pretty accurate, and pretty old.

Wilson @ T.Hawk, Fei, Bison

[K]eep in mind these are on DEFAULT speed 2 and Japanese 3. If it was any faster, Ryu and O Sagat would be considerably ahead of most people.

Cen @ T.Hawk

[Actually I don't have a quote but Cen wanted to emphasize that not only does T.Hawk beat Guile, but everybody beats Guile. Because Guile's weak!]

James @ Cammy

Here's my opinion on Cammy. You should ping Mike Creque as well, if you haven't already, and see how his opinion matches up with mine. But these are my opinions on EXPERT vs. EXPERT. Assuming people know the matchups inside and out.
[...]
Yes, you read that right. 0 against Honda. If I play against Chris Li's Honda, I will never win. I. Will. Never. Win. If we both played to win and played as best as we could, I can play him 100 times, and I will win 0. I'm not even joking. If Honda knows how to fight Cammy, Cammy cannot win. Period. And Chris Li has played against Creque so many times, HE knows how to play against Cammy.

Jumpsuit @ Fei

[P]lease note that this is based on my personal experience. My rankings for Fei are TOTALLY different from other Fei players because other Fei players don't play like me

Nelson @ O.Sagat

It is too difficult to make these rankings because the matches change due to a super being charged. But heres a rough with no supers charged. We did this in norcal a long time ago.

Alex Valle @ O.Sagat, Ken

*CaliPower* i dont make tiers or diagrams....
*CaliPower* its a deceiving tool for new players
*CaliPower* imo
*nohoho* ok fair enough but some matches are more balanced than others right?
*CaliPower* sf is a game of player to player base
*nohoho* i agree
*CaliPower* char match up is in the skill of the beholder =)
*nohoho* sure but there's still a difference between ryu vs. honda and ryu vs. vega
*CaliPower* i pay attention to the player more than the char match up
*nohoho* ok I dig it
*CaliPower* thats just me
*nohoho* thanks for hearing me out
*CaliPower* np

Beasley @ Dictator

I want to comment that Dictator's strength is difficult to express. He loses a lot of matches "on paper", but like T Hawk, he can punish a very small mistake with a win. If I were to express his ranking with a bayesian curve (like the six-zeroes.com rankings), this would mean that his sigma is big: the uncertainty of any given matchup is much higher than most other characters. A lot of his gameplay is based around trying many things that have a high probability of being punished (like jumping in), but have a very high reward (winning) if guessed right. I think that's why he's ranked low-ish yet voted as one of the characters players would least like to face in a tournament.

Methodology

The approach I went with was to go ahead and contact people without worrying about the nuances. Figured too much stressing about details and the thing would never get done. Make chart, ask questions later! It's easy enough to do a version two.

The players that I contacted were mostly old school tough guys. Also a few middle schoolers and people who've been doing well this year. I tried to solicit opinions from all over the country. More views from the southeast would be nice...

Here is the crude form that I sent to everybody*:
[* Not including local players consulted in person.]
Last fall Arcadia ran a character ranking chart for Melty Blood where the figures all came from top players for each character. I thought I'd try something like that for american ST.

Could you hook me up with your take on ______'s different match-ups? A '1' means the match is extremely difficult. A '9' means your character has an enormous advantage. '5' means even. Whole numbers. [<- ditched after the first couple messages sent]

Sample numbers using cammy. [<- used ryu sample numbers in the note I sent to jchensor]
NOTE: I'm just putting this here to illustrate how this works. I mean these numbers are BS; please don't let them influence you one way or the other.

CAMMY
Ryu: 3
Ken: 4
O.Ken: 3
Honda: 2
Chun: 4
Blanka: 6
Zangief: 8
Guile: 3
Dhalsim: 5
Hawk: 9
Cammy:
Fei: 4
DJ: 4
Balrog: 2
Vega: 3
O.Sagat: 3
Bison: 5

Ryu:
Ken:
O.Ken:
Honda:
Chun:
Blanka:
Zangief:
Guile:
Dhalsim:
Hawk:
Cammy:
Fei:
DJ:
Balrog:
Vega:
O.Sagat:
Bison:

Ken-Cammy Showdown Videos

Someone posted a long Ken vs. Cammy series on nico video. Possibly Aniken vs. Tasaka.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

There's some more Cammy gachi action in this playlist including the Nakamura-Otochun and Nakamura-Noguchan vids that I linked to a while ago.

Tougeki '08 Qualifier Vids 062808

http://a-cho.com
ARCADE -> 大会動画 (sixth link down on the left)

acho_sp2x_20080628a.asx - ABC (Ryu) & Six (Dictator) vs. Aki (Ryu) & Mi (O.Ken)

acho_sp2x_20080628b.asx - Hakase (Dhalsim) & Tamashima (Boxer) vs. Seki (DJ) & Kachu (Claw)

acho_sp2x_20080628c.asx - Aki (Ryu) & Mi (O.Ken) vs. Hakase (Dhalsim) & Tamashima (Boxer)

Super Battle Opera '08 ST Qualifiers Plus Alpha

Here's the list of Super Turbo qualifiers that have gone down so far. Only the California and last chance spots remain.

Date	Location	Area	Teams	1st Place	2nd Place
4/6	Nagase UFO	Kinki	21	ARG (Claw) & Otochun (Chun-Li)	Tsuji (Boxer) & Batayan (Guile)
4/12	Niigata POPY	Chubu	16	Gotoh (Ryu) & The SuperStar (Boxer)	Head Press Oomura (Dictator) & Aniki (Guile)
4/13	Club Sega Narimasu	Tokyo	17	Noguchi (Claw) & YuuVega (Dictator)	Oonishi (Dictator) & Abebin (Honda)
4/19	Wonder Tower Kyoto	Kinki	7	Danjiri Dhalsim & Saitou (Zangief)	Akashachi Kancho (Blanka) & Prince (Chun-Li)
4/26	Shirone Chance	Chubu	13	Kikai (Guile) & KKY (Dhalsim)	Taura (Dictator) & Suzuki (O.Hawk)
4/27	Shimura Game Newton	Tokyo	16	Muteki (Guile) & Shiki (Boxer)	Yoshimura (Dhalsim) & Yuubou (Fei-Long)
4/29	Plaza Capcom Iruma	Kanto	11	Toutanki (O.Hawk) & K (T.Hawk)	Nakanishi (Ryu) & Yoshio (Guile)
5/1	Yuki Game	Intl.	16	Shizhi Huoyan (Chun-Li) & Qing Shui (Boxer)	Ye (Dhalsim) & Sun (Claw)
5/3	Club Sega Shinjuku	Tokyo	24	Gunze (Zangief) & Macky7 (Boxer)	Naka (Cammy) & tomo (Ryu)
5/4	Gamer's VISION	Kanto	22	Komoda Blanka & Kusumondo (E.Honda)	Tokido (Claw) & Nuki (Chun-Li)
5/5	Sendai Namcoland	Hokkaido/ Tohoku	14	Ren (Dictator) & Hanashi (Fei-Long)	Teioh (O.Sagat) & Hitsuji (Sagat)
5/6	GAME41	Hokkaido/ Tohoku	9	San (Ryu) & Fujishima (Boxer)	Kiken (Ken) & Namara Dhalsim
5/10	Okayama Welcome	Chugoku/ Shikoku	5	Tsuji (Boxer) & Batayan (Guile)	Leopaldon (Boxer) & Ayakon (Dictator)
5/11	Space Shuttle Shiogama	Chubu	12	Tani (Guile) & Oh!!J (DeeJay)	ZTT (Zangief) & Papaya (T.Hawk)
5/17	Game Daytona Shiki	Kanto	11	Tokido (Claw) & Nuki (Chun-Li)	Taira (Dictator) & Shiro (Ryu)
5/18	Kasugai 50	Chubu	15	Gian (Dhalsim) & Futachan (Ryu)	Head Press Oomura (Dictator) & Aniki (Guile)
5/18	Saijo Plaza Game Corner	Chugoku/ Shikoku	5	Itoh (DeeJay) & Oreryu (Ryu)	Akasan (Zangief) & GUN-SOU (Cammy)
5/24	Amusement Azpress	Chubu	8	Wassekun (Dhalsim) & Guts (Sagat)	Akashachi Kancho (Blanka) & Prince (Chun-Li)
5/25	Lupin 122	Kanto	14	Taira (Dictator) & Shiro (Ryu)	Namiken (Boxer) & Oonishi (Dictator)
5/31	Sega Avion	Kinki	14	Tsumura (Fei-Long) & Marubozu (Honda)	Head Press Oomura (Dictator) & Aniki (Guile)
6/1	Wajiro G-COM	Kyushu/ Okinawa	16	Kurahashi (Ryu) & Nakamura (Cammy)	Souther (O.Ken) & Michan (Ken)
6/7	Mu Tairiku Nagareyama	Kanto	14	Haru KING (Honda) & Milky (Dictator)	Abeabe (Ryu) & Yuzuru (DJ)
6/8	Century Hirao	Kyushu/ Okinawa	14	7 (Dhalsim) & AAA (Ryu)	Kuma (Dhalsim) & Kurouto (Honda)
6/15	GAME'S DRAGON	Kinki	9	Aniken (Ken) & Suzuyan (Guile)	Daimon Lau (O.Ken) & SKAS(HYR) (Ryu)
6/21	Game Inn Sakura	Tokyo	22	Yoshimura (Dhalsim) & Yuubou (Fei-Long)	Oji (Ryu) & Kakky (Zangief)
6/21	Nickel City	Intl.	11	JustinW (O.Sagat) & NKI (Chun-Li)	Shag (Boxer) & Chris Doyle (Chun-Li)
6/22	Ooyama Newton	Tokyo	12	Shu (Ken) & Abebin (E.Honda)	Mario (Boxer) & Sasori (Ryu)
6/28	a-cho	Kinki	21	Hakase (Dhalsim) & Tamashima (Boxer)	Aki (Ryu) & Mi (O.Ken)
6/29	Tsurumaki	Kanto	9	GOH Ken (O.Ken) & Nyo (DeeJay)	Kannami (Ryu) & Kashiwagi (O.Ken)
7/6	Shinjuku Vegas	Tokyo	27	ShootingD (Ryu) & Nekohashi (O.Ryu)	Namiken (Boxer) & Oonishi (Dictator)
7/19	Family Fun Arcade	Intl.	-	Mike Watson (O.Sagat) & Jason Cole (Dhalsim)	The Muffin Man (DeeJay) & EvilElvis (Ryu)

Notes:
I wrote their normal nicknames above, but Hakase and Tamashima are officially registered as Nidaime KKY ("KKY the second") and GOD Ooshima.

ShootingD quit Aniken's team after deciding that he was too busy with other stuff to focus on SBO. Then I guess he changed his mind, floundered a bit -- D @ Guile and Nekohashi @ N.Ryu lost first round at the a-cho Qs -- until finally getting a ticket this weekend.

Plus Alpha

Here's Soyondori, a top Tekken player from Korea, at SBO '07:link
EDIT: (what's this all about eh?)
This is just a short speech that he made. I thought what he said was extremely classy and I wanted to share it with snf2x readers. Getting the translation to match the video proved awkward -- better english if the first and second parts of the sentence were switched.

A-Cho HSF2* Videos 021008

* Only HF, SSF2 and Old ST versions of characters were allowed at this tournament.

http://a-cho.com/
ARCADE -> 大会動画 (sixth link down on the left)

acho_hs2_20080210a.asx - Sako (O.Hawk) vs. Kusumondo (O.Honda)
acho_hs2_20080210b.asx - Gunze (S Zangief) vs. ARG (S Claw)**
acho_hs2_20080210c.asx - DanjiriDhalsim (HF Ryu) vs. Nekonohi (HF Sagat)
acho_hs2_20080210d.asx - Komoda (S Blanka) vs. Seki (O.DJ)

acho_hs2_20080210e.asx - Prince (S Ryu) vs. Kusumondo (O.Honda)
acho_hs2_20080210f.asx - Gunze (S Zangief) vs. Otochun (HF Ryu)
acho_hs2_20080210g.asx - DanjiriDhalsim (HF Ryu) vs. Aniken (O.Ken)
acho_hs2_20080210h.asx - Seki (O.DJ) vs. Futachan (S Ryu)

acho_hs2_20080210i.asx - Kusumondo (O.Honda) vs. Gunze (S Zangief)
acho_hs2_20080210j.asx - Aniken (O.Ken) vs. Futachan (S Ryu)

acho_hs2_20080210k.asx - 3rd Place: Futachan vs. Gunze

acho_hs2_20080210l.asx - Finals: Aniken vs. Kusumondo

** There's some weirdness with Claw's wall dive where his opponent will face away from the wall he came from when they block. This works with O.Claw in SSF2T, too.